martes, 24 de febrero de 2009

PUMA LEG FIVE DAY 9 QFB: received 22.02.09 2226 GMT

PUMA LEG FIVE DAY 9 QFB:  received 22.02.09 2226 GMT

We had a phenomenal day on the 22nd.  Our PUMA family welcomed a new member.
Michi Mueller and his partner Meike brought a new healthy baby girl into this world.  Mia Carlotta.

One small problem.  Michi is out here with us!!!!

Ok Ok, I can hear the wheels turning in your heads.  Did he know?  Yes of course he did.

It is a bit of a theme on this craft though.  Our media guru Ricky Deppe did a similar deed when he was aboard Chessie Racing in the 1997-98 Whitbread Race.  September 25, 1997 is a day that his daughter Isabelle good naturedly ribs him about all the time, he claims.  The day she was born and he was sailing to Cape Town on the first leg of this race.

I have said many times that the day my daughter Tory was born was the greatest in my life.  I thought I was going to be one of those people passing out in the corner (not a huge fan of even a paper cut to be honest, never mind the birthing process).  It was anything but that.  It was simply incredible.

With all this said, I know Michi is a proud, but sad Dad today.  His commitment to this programme is nothing short of spectacular.  I asked him if he wanted out of this leg and he told me he had committed to this a long time ago and would fulfil his commitment.  In not quite as many words as that.  He did stash a bottle of champagne on board that came out around the middle of the night last night in a frenzy of peeling bubble wrap off of a warm bottle of bubbly.  Michi said it was the best he ever tasted.  And we have a slightly grander party planned for him today.

Michi, like any true professional, is back at work, on his watch, doing what Michi does best.  Which is a little of everything on this boat.  But there is no doubt that his eyes can be seen wandering from time to time, back to Kiel Germany where Meike and Mia are together no doubt missing the man of the family.  At least that is what we guys hope happens...

Welcome Mia.  Congratulations Meike.  And Michi, you now have the first reason for your daughter to give you grief.  And believe me (and I only say this lovingly) daughters don't need much of an excuse to give their fathers grief from time to time.  Like Ricky and his daughter, my guess is that you get a good natured ribbing from Mia for the rest of your life.  One thing is for certain though; the other 10 guys on board il Mostro are selfishly very pleased that you decided to come with us.  Maybe your words, that you had 'committed', will be her first life lesson as well.

Kenny Read - skipper


DOLDRUMS COMPRESSION GIVES HOPE TO BACK MARKERS


DOLDRUMS COMPRESSION GIVES HOPE TO BACK MARKERS

Ericsson 4 (Torben Grael/BRA), pathfinders in this 12,300 nm leg from Qingdao to Rio de Janeiro, has arrived in the Doldrums, much to the relief of the Telefónica Blue (Bouwe Bekking/NED) who started leg five of the Volvo Ocean Race some 19 hours behind the rest of the fleet and now has a chance to close their deficit.

"The last sched has just come in and Ericsson 4 has finally parked – so, at last, the Doldrums are really there – people were starting not to believe me," wrote Tom Addis, the navigator onboard the blue boat. 

Telefónica Blue still has good breeze and is all set to make up some miles while the pressure holds.  "We normally dread the light breeze that comes with this sort of transition, but, to be honest, we are all looking forward to the change in routine and the opportunities that it presents," Addis said.  The boat is still averaging 16 knots to Ericsson 4 and PUMA's nine.

Meanwhile, in the thick of clouds and light winds, Joca Signorini, the Brazilian trimmer on Ericsson 4, says the last 10 hours or so have been painful.  "We are now trying to keep moving and waiting to see what happens with the others," he said. 

It will be an exciting few days now, as the backmarkers make gains on the leaders who are struggling.   Ericsson 3 (Magnus Olsson/SWE), currently in third place, reports wind speed of below five knots, so this team too, has arrived at the ITCZ (Inter-tropical Convergence Zone otherwise known as the Doldrums).  The Telefónica Blue team reckons they only have a few hours to go before they too, will be fighting with clouds and fickle winds. 

The fleet is still picking its way through the Marshall Islands, a group of 29 atolls and five islands.  Green Dragon (Ian Walker/GBR) on her course, some 100 nm east of the track of Ericsson 4, will pass closer to the islands than the rest of the fleet.   

The islands sound so interesting, according to the digital version of the Pacific Ocean pilot book, which Telefónica Blue has onboard, that Tom Addis thinks he might like to return one day for a more relaxed sailing holiday with his family, although he says, "If you see me in the street, please remind me not to set out from Qingdao in a Volvo 70."

With the Doldrums comes rain, often in heavy bursts, which in turn, means clean crews and less smelly boats, as everyone onboard is able to have a tropical shower and a change of clothes.  Ken Read, skipper of second-placed PUMA, says he has been in some smelly situations, but the interior of PUMA is rapidly passing them all as a top player in this week's smelliest place on earth. 

The monotony of a week of blast-reaching has not even been broken by wildlife to observe.  Magnus Olsson (Ericsson 3) is very disappointed about this.  No dolphins, no whales and no birds have been sighted, just the odd flying fish.  That will all change, once the fleet reaches the Southern Ocean and the home of the Albatross and other sea life.  "The birds down there are just fantastic," says Olsson, who has a big fascination of the Albatross and its way of sweeping over the surface and diving between the waves without moving its wings.

Magnus will be pleased to learn that a large part of the monies raised from the Virtual Volvo Ocean Race competitors is to be donated to the Save the Albatross campaign in order to help prevent the extinction of these majestic birds. 

At 1300 GMT today PUMA is 21 nm behind Ericsson 4, but averaging the same speed.  Ericsson 3, however, is putting the pressure on PUMA from just three miles astern and is still averaging just over 11 knots.  The gap of over 200 nm for both Telefónica Blue and Green Dragon has now been cut significantly.  Telefónica Blue has closed to 170 nm, making a gain of around 90 nm in the last 24 hours, while Green Dragon is still going strong, out to the east, and has cut 77 nm out of Ericsson 4's lead.   
 
Leg Five Day 9: 1300 GMT Volvo Ocean Race Positions
(boat name/country/skipper/nationality/distance to finish)

Ericsson 4 SWE (Torben Grael/BRA) DTF 9,545 nm
PUMA Racing Team USA (Ken Read/USA) +21
Ericsson 3 SWE (Magnus Olsson/SWE) +25
Telefónica Blue ESP (Bouwe Bekking/NED) +170
Green Dragon IRL/CHN (Ian Walker/GBR) +196


Delta Lloyd IRL (Roberto Bermudez/ESP) DNS
Telefónica Black ESP (Fernando Echávarri/ESP) DNS
Team Russia RUS (Andreas Hanakamp/AUT) DNS

 www.volvooceanrace.org 


 

Volvo Ocean Race: COMIENZA LA COMPRESION



- Primera oportunidad del "Telefónica azul" de acercarse a la cabeza de la flota

COMIENZA LA COMPRESIÓN

Qingdao (China), 22 de febrero de 2009

"Todos los días que llevamos aquí vivimos para mojarnos", decía esta mañana el trimmer del "Telefónica azul" Pablo Arrarte. Pero parece que esos días llegarán pronto a su fin. El líder de la flota ya ha alcanzado las calmas ecuatoriales, con ellas el poco viento, y el "Telefónica azul" ha sabido aprovechar esa circunstancia para agarrarse a su primera oportunidad de dar saltos de gigante, convirtiéndose en el barco de la flota que más millas ha recortado al líder en las últimas 24 horas, un total de 62 (casi 115 km).

Devorando millas
Como vaticinaban desde el barco español el día que dejaron Qingdao (China), la llegada de la flota a la zona de convergencia intertropical (franja de bajas presiones ubicada en la zona ecuatorial, en la cual confluyen los vientos alisios del Sureste y del Noreste) ha hecho que la flota comience a comprimirse, comenzando una nueva batalla de esta guerra por el triunfo en la etapa reina de la Vuelta al Mundo. Mientras, el "Telefónica azul" continúa en una zona con más viento y navegando de través. Una situación ante la que, según su navegante Tom Addis, "no hay mucho que hacer en términos de táctica ni tampoco en lo que concierne a navegación, sin embargo nosotros no dejamos ni un minuto de navegar a tope con el viento que tenemos".

Más de 17 nudos de intensidad registra el barco español frente a los 7,5 de la embarcación que patronea el brasileño Torben Grael. "Parece que finalmente 'Ericsson 4' se ha parado –así que por fin las calmas ecuatoriales están allí-. Tiempo de arrancar y empezara hacer muchas millas mientras seguimos teniendo viento", declaraba Addis.

Y tantas que han hecho. 421 millas (casi 780 km) en las última 24 horas, un registro que confirma al "Telefónica azul" como el barco que más millas ha recorrido en las últimas 24 horas. Pero habrá que estar muy atentos a los próximos movimientos. Llega una nueva transición a vientos ligeros que no suele gustar demasiado a los navegantes pero que, en esta ocasión, en el "Telefónica azul" ya tiene ganas de alcanzar: "Normalmente tenemos pavor al viento ligero que viene de este tipo de transición pero, siendo sincero, estamos deseando cambiar de rutina y estar ante las oportunidades que esta situación nos presenta", apuntaba su navegante.

Algo huele a quemado…
Como es natural en una regata de las características de la Volvo Ocena Race, un día más surgen anécdotas en los barcos en forma de pequeños sustos. En el "Telefónica azul", esta vez surgió en forma de olor a quemado, continuó con toda la tripulación buscando desesperada de dónde provenía el olor y terminó con un cable menos para la mesa de comunicación y su ocupante, Gabri Olivo.

"Hace unas horas todos saltaron todos de sus literas, luego de que la nariz de todo el mundo empezase a moverse nerviosamente al captar una especie de olor a quemado" –relataba esta mañana Tom -. "Tras unos 15 minutos mirando de aquí para allá, terminamos en el ordenador de Gabri donde el cable de un cargador se había quemado. En estos momentos, la mesa de comunicación no es una necesidad imperiosa, ya que no tiene acceso al mundo exterior, así que tenemos tiempo para repararlo y volver a tener todo en su sitio".

CLASIFICACIÓN PROVISIONAL ETAPA 5
QINGDAO (CHINA) – RIO (BRASIL): 12.300 millas (22.780 kilómetros)
Día 9 – 13:30 hora española – 22 de febrero de 2009

1º Ericsson 4 (Suecia) a 9.571 millas de la llegada
2º Puma (EE.UU), + 15 millas
3º Ericsson 3 (Suecia), + 30 millas
4º Telefónica azul (España), +189 millas
5º Green Dragon (Irlanda/China), +220 millas
Telefónica negro (España), DNS
Delta Lloyd (Holanda), DNS
Team Russia (Rusia), DNS


Equipo Telefónica
Volvo Ocean Race 2008-2009



ERICSSON 4 LEG FIVE DAY 9 QFB: received 22.02.09 1148 GMT



ERICSSON 4 LEG FIVE DAY 9 QFB:  received 22.02.09 1148 GMT
Hello from E4!
After seven days of wet and fast sailing and with some really cold days, things start to change. Today we arrive at the doldrums and the last eight hours has been really painful with lots of clouds and light winds. We are now trying to keep moving and waiting to see what happens with the others. They still have good winds and are getting close to us again.  The only good thing about the clouds was that most of our crew could have a shower today and put on new clothes after an intense week on board.
The distance to the finish shows 9,500 miles to go and we are close to crossing the equator for the third time on the race. Everybody is still trying to not count the days but our pace since the start was really good. It's crazy when you stop and think that we still have close to 30 days to go...  But that's what makes this race and this leg very special. Even more for me that we will be arriving at my home town!
Today is the second day of the carnival in Brazil. At some places the fire fighters use the rose to refresh all the people who are dancing and singing at the streets. Yesterday night our deck was like that, but the pressure of the water was hurting some times.
Good winds,
Joca Signorini - trimmer

 

ERICSSON 3 LEG FIVE DAY 9 QFB: received 22.02.09 1119 GMT





ERICSSON 3 LEG FIVE DAY 9 QFB: received 22.02.09 1119 GMT
So I admit that it has been monotonous and not too exciting here lately. I did not think it could happen in this race, but it has happened, in part due to the monotonous, uncomfortable weather, and part due to our DTL - Distance To Leader - which has been huge on this leg compared with all the other legs. That again was due to starting later than the others, which was not fun even though it was a great achievement from Ericsson Racing Team, and we are very happy to have closed in a bit on the leaders. But what we really want is to get up there and match race with Ericsson 4 and Puma.
Which, as I write, we are getting really close to do.

It looks like an exciting week coming up, with very uncertain weather. We do have a game plan, but there are still a couple of very different alternatives possible. And it will only get better (or worse) - the area between the South Pacific Convergence Zone, around 10 degrees South, where we will be in a few days, looks very light and variable. This is certainly a part of the leg where we can not write off anyone with some separation.
Wind speed is dropping below five knots now so better get on deck to help hoisting the code zero! Anything can happen now.
Aksel Magdahl - navigator

TELEFONICA BLUE LEG FIVE DAY 9 QFB: received 22.02.09 0734 GMT




TELEFONICA BLUE LEG FIVE DAY 9 QFB:  received 22.02.09 0734 GMT
Ho hum, more of the same - surprise surprise! Reaching along the line, starting to come into the leaders now as they slow in the ITCZ so it's only another 12 hrs or so of this stuff for us for a bit!
We haven't been able to download any weather data for 36 hours now due to a black spot in the coverage which has been a real frustration for us, but it has been the same for everyone I guess. We are managing to get some satellite images from a separate receiver and these are probably the most useful pieces of information coming into the doldrums, so we aren't running completely blind. We should start to get proper coverage back soon but it's still a hit in the guts every time the 'unable to connect' error message pops up on the computer.
Only one drama to report today, around four hours ago everyone's heads popped up out of their bunks and noses started twitching with the smell of smoke. After 15mins or so of us all crawling around, it ended up being Gabri's (Gabriele Olivo/MCM) computer charging cable in the media desk which had burned out. Not much need for the media desk at the moment with no data access to the outside world so we have a bit of time to fix that and get back up to speed.
Last sched just came in and E4 has finally parked - so at last the doldrums are there - people were starting not to believe me! Time to go and start to make some miles up while we still have the breeze. We normally dread the light breeze that comes with this sort of transition, but to be honest, we are all looking forward to the change in routine and the opportunities that it presents.
Tom Addis - navigator

TELEFÓNICA BLUE LEG FIVE DAY 8 QFB: received 21.02.09 2349 GMT



TELEFÓNICA BLUE LEG FIVE DAY 8 QFB:  received 21.02.09 2349 GMT

This should be the last day of the relentless hard reaching for us. Not much to do tactically and not much to do navigation-wise as we've been unable to download any weather information for over 24hrs but that's not to say that there is nothing to do. Upstairs it is all on with constant spray, big shifts and pushing the boat as hard as we can in the breeze we have.
It's been a very one-way track since the start - drag racing vs track racing with minimal opportunities to gain - to gain big miles anyway. The leaders are still pretty much at the range they were when we restarted with the bungee cord only stretching and shrinking a bit over the last week. We've managed to get in front of the Dragons, but that's about it. We should see a pretty big compression over the next few days so we may get within fighting range again in the more varied stuff to come.
While the Fleet 33 has been out of action with a black spot that appears to have been about three times as large as predicted, I've been working with what information we can get from other sources to try to fill the gap. Its slim pickings and only really useful for getting to the other side of the doldrums and not much further - we are hoping that there are no major surprises for us on the other side - at least we have a few pathfinders in front of us so that's a bit of a blessing I suppose!
I've been browsing our electronic copy of the Pacific Ocean pilot book while we pick our way through a few islands and atolls - some amazing sounding places out here. Might have to come for a more relaxed sailing holiday with the family one day - although if you see me in the street, please remind me not to set out from Qingdao in a VO70 please - I'll have Sydney's best lawyers on my hands sooner than I can say 'just one more week of this darl'.
7N 163E, doldrums at 3-5N - not long now.  Can't wait...
Tom Addis - navigator

ERICSSON 3 LEG FIVE DAY 8 QFB: received 21.02.09 1552 GMT



ERICSSON 3 LEG FIVE DAY 8 QFB:  received 21.02.09 1552 GMT
Magnus Olsson is disappointed. Not with the team and our efforts. With that part he is very happy. Not the least since we are keeping up with the front guys when we started seven hours after them. Just starting this leg was an effort itself.
But he is disappointed with the wildlife of the first part of this route.  Magnus is a friend of the animals. It has been said that during a previous race he found a spider onboard soon after the start and managed to make it survive for 30 days, until the finish.
We have seen no animals so far in these waters where no one onboard has ever been before. No dolphins, no whales, no cool birds. No nothing.  Well, that's not entirely true. We had a fly-fish visiting yesterday morning.
"It will be different in the Southern Ocean which is full of life. The birds down there are just fantastic", says Magnus who has a big fascination of the Albatrosses and their way of sweeping over the surface and diving between the waves without moving their wings.
We are soon entering the tricky Doldrums again. It now seems, looking on the satellite pictures, like we are in a good position to make a good way through the first section.
But you can never be sure of anything this close to the equator.  The picture can change completely in very short time and we are all preparing for 'squall-hours' with no wind one second and fully powered up the next.  It feels like it has already started.

During the day we could breathe out a bit with just around 15 knots of wind, calm sea and sunny sky. We were still heeling quite a bit, sailing with the wind from 70 degrees true, but there was not much water on deck and for a while we could even open up the aft hatch to let some air in under deck. Talk about relief. A normal person wouldn't believe the smell we live in. It's always a bit tough to go down below when you've been on deck and got some fresh air in your nose. But you get used to it quicker than you would think. There's just nothing you can do about it.
At the time I wrote the last sentence, Eivind (Eivind Melleby/NOR) put his feet just in front of my nose. He was about to jump out of his bunk and I'm sitting just below it. That is over the limit.
The nice weather did not last for long.  Now the boat is whistling its way forward again. It is pretty bumpy with 20 knots of wind and a wind direction of 80 degrees.
The next 24 hours will probably be quite interesting.

Gustav Morin - MCM

Volvo Ocean Race: EL TELEFONICA AZUL, CONCENTRADO EN ALCANZAR EL ECUADOR

- Xabi Fernández: "Estamos muy tranquilos y esperando al Ecuador, a ver si hay calmas y podemos pillar al resto ahí".

EL "TELEFÓNICA AZUL", CONCENTRADO EN ALCANZAR EL ECUADOR

Qingdao (China), 21 de febrero de 2009

Hoy sábado se cumple una semana del comienzo de la quinta etapa de la Vuelta al Mundo. El "Telefónica azul" no ceja en su empeño de acercarse al resto de la flota, luego de adelantar al "Green Dragon", y continúa con la mente puesta en el cruce del Ecuador, como nos hacía saber esta mañana Xabi Fernández: "Estamos muy tranquilos y esperando al Ecuador, a ver si hay calmas y podemos pillar al resto ahí".

En las últimas 24 horas el barco español ha sido el que más intensidad de viento ha medido, 23 nudos, pero parece que la brisa comienza a suavizarse lentamente. Un alivio para el desarrollo de la vida a bordo y, por lo tanto, para los tripulantes del barco español que además han podido abandonar los trajes de aguas por unas horas: "Es un alivio que haya bajado el viento porque como vamos de través, con los 20-22 nudos que hemos tenido estos días, vas todo el día empapado. Un día está bien, dos también pero llevamos ya unos cinco-seis días y esta mañana el poder quitarnos el traje de aguas y estar un rato en camiseta ¡ha sido la leche!", afirmaba el campeón olímpico y trimmer del "Telefónica azul", Xabi Fernández.

Y es que los españoles agradecen el calor consecuencia de su aproximación al Ecuador, como decía el patrón vasco Íker Martínez: "Llevamos una semana totalmente empapados ahí fuera y ha sido un poco engorroso; Ahora vamos muy cómodos tanto de ambiente como de temperatura y es una gozada volver a tener calorcito. por lo menos con el calorcito se hace más llevadero y estamos mucho mejor".

Esperando dar la vuelta a la tortilla
El líder de a flota está ahora a 260 millas, un dato que desde el ESP-12 no pierden de vista y se mantienen atentos a cada oportunidad que pueda surgir para comer millas a los barcos de delante: "Estamos siempre mirando hacia delante y ahora ellos tienen mejor viento que nosotros, así que estamos todo el rato intentando que nos saquen lo menos posible. Y así hasta que vuelva a dar la vuelta la tortilla y nos toque a nosotros mejor viento y podamos ir atrapándoles", apuntaba Martínez.

No es fácil. En la zona actual en la que se encuentran además no cuentan apenas con información meteorológica, hecho que en palabras del capitán del equipo Telefónica, Bouwe Bekking, hace que Tom Addis, navegante, esté un poco intranquilo: "Estamos navegando en una zona donde no recibimos mucha información meteorológica pero no nos podemos enfadar con cosas que no están en nuestras manos, sobre todo si todos los demás barcos están en la misma situación".

Percance con la puerta de la hélice
Las últimas horas no han estado tampoco exentas de acción a bordo. Un percance con la puerta que cierra la puerta donde esta la hélice hizo que el "Telefónica azul" tuviese que detener momentáneamente la navegación. Así lo relataba Xabi Fernández esta mañana: "La hélice, cuando estamos navegando, se levanta y hay una puerta que la cierra. Ayer cuando David salía a su guardia la chequeó y vio que estaba abierta. La verdad es que es un problema porque puedes perder la puerta y luego ir parado toda la etapa, además de exponerse al peligro de que pueda entrar un montón de agua".

Ante esa situación, la tripulación del "Telefónica azul" decidió parar el barco de todo, bajar la mayor y ponerse de popa. Durante una hora aproximadamente la embarcación  del equipo Telefónica estuvo parada mientras David Vera y Xabi Fernández arreglaban la puerta de la hélice. Un arreglo provisional hasta alcanzar las calmas ecuatoriales o como decía Xabi antes de despedirse "por lo menos hasta que se pare el viento, hay que aguantar así y luego veremos si lo arreglamos mejor o no cuando el barco esté parado".

CLASIFICACIÓN PROVISIONAL ETAPA 5
QINGDAO (CHINA) – RIO (BRASIL): 12.300 millas (22.780 kilómetros)
Día 8 – 14:30 hora española – 21 de febrero de 2009

1º Ericsson 4 (Suecia) a 9.842 millas de la llegada
2º Puma (EE.UU), + 39 millas
3º Ericsson 3 (Suecia), + 95 millas
4º Telefónica azul (España), +260 millas
5º Green Dragon (Irlanda/China), +273 millas
Telefónica negro (España), DNS
Delta Lloyd (Holanda), DNS
Team Russia (Rusia), DNS


Equipo Telefónica
Volvo Ocean Race 2008-2009

ERICSSON 4 LEG FIVE DAY 8 QFB: received 21.02.09 0907 GMT



ERICSSON 4 LEG FIVE DAY 8 QFB: received 21.02.09 0907 GMT
Sods Law for Navigators part 8
You never know how much you miss Inmarsat's Fleet Broadband until it has gone.  Here Jules navigator Salter talks through the challenges of having to return to fax in a world of satellite communication.
The frustration onboard is compounded by the fact that Ericsson 4 is currently sailing in the wider global spot beam of the I3 satellite and is currently only able to get voice and Sat C for location.  It is expected that they will clear this in the next few hours.
We have known for a while that there were going to be some communications problems on this whopper of a leg due to the global satellite reorganisation upgrade which is taking place for the first 10days of the leg.
Such is life...just another Volvo sailor moaning you say. We now can't use our back up Fleet 33 units. These are slower for download - (think dial up CompuServe connection circa '98) and get most of what we need -all you need is a bit more patience. We are currently sailing in a wedge of the west Pacific roughly over Micronesia, which does not get Fleet 33 spot beam coverage, which means that we can't get data via the Fleet 33. The data I am talking about are GRIB files (wind peed and data information our computers use to work out the fastest routes to take), weather maps from expert forecasters, satellite photos and other information we use to help us guess where to position our boats.
Sods law of course dictates that we are in the 100nm or so before we enter the first light and fickle doldrum belt on this voyage. So no weather info other than some general met area text descriptions, our onboard satellite receiver (5 a day if lucky) and much to the amusement of those of a certain age on board, I have got the old school weather fax running. With our T&T radio set we can get weather maps from the sky assent out at the US taxpayers expense from Hawaii, amongst other places.

Reception is not digital but there is a pleasure in receiving a slightly blurred weather map from the airwaves as you hear the tone come in over the SSB radio. You have to tune the unit, look up a schedule, set up the software and also make sure no one has accedentally pulled the plug out of the backstay antenna as they take a leak off the back of the yacht.

Whether it will help us maintain our slender lead through the first doldrum area is a moot point. As much information as possible is always good to base your decisions on but so often with these bubbling, light wind, cloudy weather situations a large amount of good luck will be more important.
Still it was good to revisit old technology for a while as we become ever too complacent on so much newer technology we (me especially) do not understand.
Jules Salter - navigator

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